Since being wounded in The Battle of Saipan during World War II, Marvin Hume has been eligible for the prestigious Purple Heart, a military decoration which he refuses to this day.
I saw guys much worse than me during the war, Hume explains. Guys with limbs missing. I wasnít looking to beat any drums. I just did what I had to do.
His patriotism is unwavering as he presides over the flag lowering ceremony each evening at Sunset Beach to pay honor to the men and women who have served the country.
Widowed, Hume lives with his life partner Patricia Wolfe in Erma where he recently welcomed Cape May Magazine to discuss his life, and the love he has for his community and his country.
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How long have you been in Cape May County?
Iíll give you the run down. Iím originally from Collingswood, New Jersey. I love that town. I got out of high school in 1938. It was the Depression in those days. To see men and women go through our garbage can when it was put out twice a week looking for food makes an impression on you. They would knock on the back door and ask if there was work to be done for a sandwich.
As a kid you never ever forget that. I got out of high school and went to work as a tool and die maker and went to college where I studied engineering. They let us get paid by the week, $10 a week.
Marvin, my dear friend from my youth, Joe Hittorph, we shoveled snow together, delivered newspapers. He went into the Navy and was assigned to the USS Oklahoma. Then Pearl Harbor hit. The Oklahoma was on the very end of what they called Battleship Row in Pearl Harbor. The Japs hit it. They launched torpedos as well as dive bombers. The Oklahoma took 9 torpedoes and rolled over. Joe was trapped, wounded but conscious. 2 of his men attempted to get him out, but there was steel against steel. He ordered them to go topside and they survived. Thatís how we know what happened. Joe was lost. The salvage crews never found Joeís body.
After Joe died, I quit my job, quit college and went in the Navy. I worked as a tool and die maker and in engineering. I continued my education through an armed services institute.
The war went on. I still have a piece of Jap shrapnel that almost took my foot off. But when youíre young, you think itís just a scratch and you donít think anything of it. Had it all over my chest, my face. I looked like a freak in a sideshow.
In the hospital ward, some U.S.O. girls came in to entertain the troops. Guys were there who were messed up in so many ways. Another guy and I were sitting in chairs between our beds and I thought how nice it was that the girls were stopping at each bed. So when they came to us I invited them to step up.
They said their schedule was very tight and had to move on, but then I saw them go and visit the other guys and spend time with each of them.
Afterwards, we found out the other guys played a joke by telling the girls that 2 guys at the end had leprosy and they shouldnít get too close.
Anyway, I was sent home and went to work for McDonnell Douglass in St. Louis, where I worked for 10 years. I was an engineer there. We built the famous Phantom. I had a good job. I worked on the design of John Glennís space capsule and even worked on UFOs.
UFOs? Tell me about that.
Well, a lot of people didnít know about UFOs. I was given photographs and film by the government of UFOs flying and I had to do line projection drawings showing the height and dimensions of the craft in relation to the size of other objects. It was done using a technique called triangulation in which you can determine the size and shape of an object in relation to what is around it, as well as its speed.
McDonnell Douglass was one of the prime contractors for the government. We saw crafts that would be traveling at speeds of 5,000 mph. You worked in that department with your mouth shut. For 35 years I never told anyone about the pictures or the work.
So these were crafts that were from other worlds?
Yes. You know, weíre still minute animals, make no mistake about that. They know weíre here. We knew of 3 or 4 different types of creatures in Wright Patterson airfield. There have been UFO crashes throughout the world. They have 26 cadavers. This is not common knowledge to but a few.
How much of our own aerospace technology comes from extraterrestrial crafts?
You know the Stealth Bomber? We have that because of solid crafts that were seen on radar and then theyíd disappear and then reappear. On that research they built the stealth bomber.
There are light years between us and the nearest star. Do these creatures travel through linear space to get here?
Do they travel through another dimension?
They would have to. Thereís a reason so much of this is kept quiet, mostly because of the mentality of the human race. How many people could honestly hold that knowledge in their head without it upsetting or confusing them? Weíre just scratching the surface.
Itís been theorized that the dawn of the atomic age signaled extraterrestrial life to take interest in us. Do you agree with this?
Absolutely. Thatís common knowledge. You can gauge that by the number of sightings after the war. I suppose they realized there were some little creatures on this planet that were fooling around with some dangerous stuff.
Tell me more about your time at McDonnell Douglas.
While I was there one of the guys in the department asked if I wanted to go to a rock show. It was a national convention of minerals and fossils. That introduced me to minerals. It overwhelmed my mind.
What was it about rocks and minerals that intrigued you so much?
Let me show you. Come with me.
With the aid of his walker, Marvin leads me into the living room and turns the lights on to one of many large display cases of crystals, rocks and minerals.
Yes they are. And thatís what hooked me. My friend and I joined the St. Louis Mineral and Gem Society where I was introduced to the beauties of nature. The more I learned, the happier I got. I later learned the thrill of digging and going into a mine and finding a beautiful rock or mineral. As the years went on in St. Louis, I began dealing in rocks and minerals, even running ads in magazines for them. Iíd dig quartz in Arkansas and get fluorite from Illinois. I really got into it.
From the proceeds, I bought some apartment buildings in St. Louis.
In selling the minerals, I flew back East and went to Atlantic City, where I met Jimmy Trumbauer, who was and agent for 70% of the stores on the Atlantic City boardwalk. I told him Iíd like to rent a store, and he and I went for a walk and ended up around Missouri Avenue where he showed me a store that was available to rent for $4,000 a year. So I opened a science and nature store on the Atlantic City boardwalk.
My co-workers back in St. Louis thought I was out of my mind.
Youíre leaving a good job to go sell rocks on the boardwalk in Atlantic City?
I was raising 5 children. During the winter months I got a job as a tool and die maker in Mays Landing, plus I was supplying the Museum of Natural History in New York and the Smithsonian with rocks and minerals. I supplied the New Jersey Museum in Trenton with educational minerals and fossils. That got me through the winter months.
After 20 years on the boardwalk I developed a wholesale route. One of my customers was Preston Shadbolt at Sunset Beach. Shad had his shell and mineral shop open from Memorial Day until Labor Day. In 1972 I went in there and he told me it was going to be his last year and asked if I wanted to buy the property. So I bought it and thatís how that came about. I still own the shops with my 2 daughters and my one son and his wife.
So youíre retired now?
No. Who do you think does the flag ceremony every night?
Did you originate the ceremony?
Yes and No.
Preston Shadbolt had an old wooden flagpole and he loved Kate Smith. In fact, he knew her personally. When I bought the place from him he asked me:
Marv, would you do me a favor? Every evening I play Kate Smithís God Bless America and I get a kid to help take the flag down. Would you keep doing that?
So I realized that here we were, right on the beach with the southernmost flag in the state. I thought what a wonderful thing to do to honor my old friend Joe who was lost at Pearl Harbor, and my friend Walt who died on the Arizona.
I put an ad in the paper asking for a donation of a veteranís casket flag. From then on nothing but a veteranís casket flag has flown on that pole with one exception, the battle flag of the USS Cole which saw a lot of action. The flag has shell holes in it. Itís ripped and torn. We fly that each July 4th to honor the men and women who served on it.
People sign up to fly the flag from their loved onesí casket. We have a 2 year waiting list. We turn down at least 500 people a year because there arenít enough days in the year.
Tell me about the ceremony. Do you still play Kate Smithís recording?
We do the ceremony a half hour before the actual sunset. I ask the people to face the flag. I tell them that the flag they see flying is from a veteranís casket. The name and history of that veteran is read to the people. Itís very touching. I tell them to place their right hand over their heart during the playing of the National Anthem and honor this flag, this country and this veteran.
Then I tell them we have our very good friend Kate Smith on hand to sing God Bless America, and she requests that everybody out there join in with her. And believe me, theyíre all singing.
This ceremony, so we are told, is the only place in the United States that has done the ceremony this long. A few years ago, my friend Paul Tibbets, who was the pilot of the Enola Gay, pulled the flag down one night.
I first met Paul in Florida and asked him if he would come up to Cape May. He came up, Patricia and I took him to the Lobster House. I forget what he ordered, but he said it was the best dinner he ever had.
He had just written his autobiography and I told him to bring plenty of books to sell. He said he would bring 7 cases and I told him it would not be enough and it wasnít. At the ceremony, it was the largest crowd he had ever spoke to and was there for 5½ hours autographing books. Every book went.
A few years later I invited him again, but he was physically unable.
Did you ever think of writing a book?
Many times. But there are things in war you see that you donít ever want to recall.